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Beverley wrote: > Okay, the central air conditioner broke and had to be replaced. Financial > ouch!!!

Double ouch ! Is it hot where you are. We’ve just had blessed heat. A weekend ago, I had to turn the furnace on. > Then the other night my husband’s car was hit by a drunk driver. We have new > DUI laws in effect in Virginia. Seems the insurance companies have not > caught up to the new laws so we can’t get authorization to have our car > fixed until the insurance company actually speaks with their drunk insured. > But he’s in jail and they can’t contact him in jail. Et cetera, et cetera, > et cetera!!! Put my insurance on it and they authorized a rental car from > Enterprise. Enterprise here in town was low on vehicles so they "upgraded" > us at no cost to an expensive SUV. Rental SUV is falling apart. It would be > funny but right now it is not.

Sorted out now, Bev? I was watching for your update. Sure lots of troubles down there. As if a falling tree wasn’t enough, eh? Sure glad "G" wasn’t hurt. > BTW, if you come to Virginia do not drink and drive. First DUI offence is > 5-10 days depending on alcohol level, 2nd offence within 5 years gives you > 30 days and you don’t want to know what the 3rd offense is!!! Wondering if > the drunk drivers really care. This is jail time before your court date!!!!

I don’t drink and drive. In fact, I keep forgetting to stop at the beer store for my "summer beer". I hear they sell it in a six-pack. I love to have at least one when it’s really hot. When I went to the computer guy’s, he some delicious wine, but since I was ddriving home in the dark later that night, I only had a bit with a delious meal he cooked. Sausages and rice and veggies. Yummy. Bonus ! > My BP is up tonight. Gee I wonder why????

Hoping your BP is finally settling in. I’ve been watching other newsgroups, in case I see anything that might be helpful, nothing yet.Weight still coming off? Hugs to you, Bev J

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I am trying not to laugh at all of this… Believe me sometimes you have to laugh to get through it…. Only because I have been where you are at and how it seems that it can’t get any worse…Never ever ever say it can’t get worse..Because I believe that God will just show you how bad it can get…. Sending you a great big hug…Go to bed and try and relax…Get that blood pressure down… Hugs Cindy

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OMG, I remember years ago bringing home my daughter’s first car from a friend who did auto mechanics for a living and on the side. He’d rebuilt everything on this little car and still sold it to her for about $1300. Except he forgot to check the gas tank and it must have had a wee bit of water in it so the car died on one of our bridges during rush hour traffic. So here I am practically in the middle of this bridge that is about 5 miles long with a dead car and no place to pull off. I FREAKED!!!!! Somebody pushed me to the other side – well it was more like little taps to bump me forward. My biggest fear is getting caught in one of the tunnels around here. Bev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"REP" <r…@inanna.com> wrote in message news:2m6pqkFjo8cuU1@uni-berlin.de… > In article <aQlLc.11423$Iz3.4…@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, >  "Beverley" <beverly.brow…@verizon.net> wrote: > > Okay, the central air conditioner broke and had to be replaced. Financial > > ouch!!! > > Then the other night my husband’s car was hit by a drunk driver. We have new > > DUI laws in effect in Virginia. Seems the insurance companies have not > > caught up to the new laws so we can’t get authorization to have our car > > fixed until the insurance company actually speaks with their drunk insured. > > But he’s in jail and they can’t contact him in jail. Et cetera, et cetera, > > et cetera!!! Put my insurance on it and they authorized a rental car from > > Enterprise. Enterprise here in town was low on vehicles so they "upgraded" > > us at no cost to an expensive SUV. Rental SUV is falling apart. It would be > > funny but right now it is not. > The moon must be in suck. I had a kidney infection in late June, took > antibiotics, and got another infection with another pathogen within > days. Had to go in for a renal sonogram stat per my doctor on the July 1 > – radiology said they could see my in August. No good, said my doctor – > it might be a renal abcess. Eleven hours later I get my  "stat" exam and > the report wasn’t done for four days; by then my doctor was out of town. > Sonogram showed a 1/4 inch stone in the renal pelvis. That Monday my > classes started (yay!) but I got lost and had to cross the Golden Gate > Bridge *six* times; four of them late at night with heavy fog (and I’m > VERY VERY acrophobic). The next day, went in for my abdominal CT and > they blew a vein with the contrast – blew it about four inches from the > injection site, apparently very bad and very dangerous, judging from the > number of doctors that showed up. Told to put an ice pack on it so I did > – but didn’t know I had lost hot/cold sensation and gave myself 2nd and > 3rd degree frostbite in an area about as big as the palm of my hand. The > next day, on the way to class, my 18 year old car with 186,000+ miles > starts acting up on the GGB and I pulled off at the first exit, thinking > it was just overheating. First exit was all 45 degree grades! An hour > later, the car pulls me out of that hell pit, but was making noises that > made going any farther a bad idea. It started to rain. A wonderful woman > named Crystal let me sit in her car and use her cell phone to call AAA, > and the wrecker towed it to a station where the owner said there was too > much wrong with my car to fix, so I had it towed back home … which was > 50 miles away, and I only have ‘basic’ AAA so I got a $280.00 bill once > we made it back here. The wrecker rode like crap, and the entire way my > kidneys got pounded as my car rocked on the flatbed wrecker. > I rented a new Focus, which is nice because it runs and stuff, but is a > flimsy piece of crap that handles like a flounder compared to my poor > old car, which was by then at the shop. My mechanic thought it might > just be a heater core, whch is cheap enough to fix. A few days later, > though, he calls and tells me it’s the heater core, the head gasket, the > radiator, and there’s broken bolts all over, including in the cylinder > head and it’d cost more to fix than it’s worth, many times over. I > really love my car, and now I’ve got to sell it to a junker a get > another one. My Loved One is stepping in there, bless him, and is > getting me another Pontiac – not new, but a lot younger than mine with a > lot fewer miles. I may have to rent the Focus for another week, but I > did get a good coupon from the rental co (the rental folks were all > unbelievably great, and the agent who handled my paperwork is another > book fiend, and we spent more time talking books than we did rental!) > Just as I begin to breathe a sigh of relief, I got a note from the > doctor who’s covering for my doctor while he’s gone, saying that the > stone in the renal pelvis may be a struvite (infection stone), which > would be extraordinarily horrible news. I have class again tomorrow, > which means I get to face my fears – and the GGB – some more. > So, in other words – I feel your pain, and how. > — > "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner." > – Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

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In article <aQlLc.11423$Iz3.4…@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,  "Beverley" <beverly.brow…@verizon.net> wrote: > Okay, the central air conditioner broke and had to be replaced. Financial > ouch!!! > Then the other night my husband’s car was hit by a drunk driver. We have new > DUI laws in effect in Virginia. Seems the insurance companies have not > caught up to the new laws so we can’t get authorization to have our car > fixed until the insurance company actually speaks with their drunk insured. > But he’s in jail and they can’t contact him in jail. Et cetera, et cetera, > et cetera!!! Put my insurance on it and they authorized a rental car from > Enterprise. Enterprise here in town was low on vehicles so they "upgraded" > us at no cost to an expensive SUV. Rental SUV is falling apart. It would be > funny but right now it is not.

The moon must be in suck. I had a kidney infection in late June, took antibiotics, and got another infection with another pathogen within days. Had to go in for a renal sonogram stat per my doctor on the July 1 – radiology said they could see my in August. No good, said my doctor – it might be a renal abcess. Eleven hours later I get my  "stat" exam and the report wasn’t done for four days; by then my doctor was out of town. Sonogram showed a 1/4 inch stone in the renal pelvis. That Monday my classes started (yay!) but I got lost and had to cross the Golden Gate Bridge *six* times; four of them late at night with heavy fog (and I’m VERY VERY acrophobic). The next day, went in for my abdominal CT and they blew a vein with the contrast – blew it about four inches from the injection site, apparently very bad and very dangerous, judging from the number of doctors that showed up. Told to put an ice pack on it so I did – but didn’t know I had lost hot/cold sensation and gave myself 2nd and 3rd degree frostbite in an area about as big as the palm of my hand. The next day, on the way to class, my 18 year old car with 186,000+ miles starts acting up on the GGB and I pulled off at the first exit, thinking it was just overheating. First exit was all 45 degree grades! An hour later, the car pulls me out of that hell pit, but was making noises that made going any farther a bad idea. It started to rain. A wonderful woman named Crystal let me sit in her car and use her cell phone to call AAA, and the wrecker towed it to a station where the owner said there was too much wrong with my car to fix, so I had it towed back home … which was 50 miles away, and I only have ‘basic’ AAA so I got a $280.00 bill once we made it back here. The wrecker rode like crap, and the entire way my kidneys got pounded as my car rocked on the flatbed wrecker. I rented a new Focus, which is nice because it runs and stuff, but is a flimsy piece of crap that handles like a flounder compared to my poor old car, which was by then at the shop. My mechanic thought it might just be a heater core, whch is cheap enough to fix. A few days later, though, he calls and tells me it’s the heater core, the head gasket, the radiator, and there’s broken bolts all over, including in the cylinder head and it’d cost more to fix than it’s worth, many times over. I really love my car, and now I’ve got to sell it to a junker a get another one. My Loved One is stepping in there, bless him, and is getting me another Pontiac – not new, but a lot younger than mine with a lot fewer miles. I may have to rent the Focus for another week, but I did get a good coupon from the rental co (the rental folks were all unbelievably great, and the agent who handled my paperwork is another book fiend, and we spent more time talking books than we did rental!) Just as I begin to breathe a sigh of relief, I got a note from the doctor who’s covering for my doctor while he’s gone, saying that the stone in the renal pelvis may be a struvite (infection stone), which would be extraordinarily horrible news. I have class again tomorrow, which means I get to face my fears – and the GGB – some more. So, in other words – I feel your pain, and how. — "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner." – Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

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Okay, the central air conditioner broke and had to be replaced. Financial ouch!!! Then the other night my husband’s car was hit by a drunk driver. We have new DUI laws in effect in Virginia. Seems the insurance companies have not caught up to the new laws so we can’t get authorization to have our car fixed until the insurance company actually speaks with their drunk insured. But he’s in jail and they can’t contact him in jail. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!!! Put my insurance on it and they authorized a rental car from Enterprise. Enterprise here in town was low on vehicles so they "upgraded" us at no cost to an expensive SUV. Rental SUV is falling apart. It would be funny but right now it is not. BTW, if you come to Virginia do not drink and drive. First DUI offence is 5-10 days depending on alcohol level, 2nd offence within 5 years gives you 30 days and you don’t want to know what the 3rd offense is!!! Wondering if the drunk drivers really care. This is jail time before your court date!!!! My BP is up tonight. Gee I wonder why???? I’m tired and going to bed now. Bev

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"hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message <news:c3ig84$5fu$1@news.netins.net>… > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a > sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT!

hi kathy, oh man, do i hear that!!  here in san diego’s east county, it’s usually about 10 degrees hotter than the coastal area, and we’ve ad a whole run of days over 90 degrees, and boy am i feeling it!  :{ tami always says ‘at least it’s not humid like it was back east where you grew up’ and i gotta admit, i remember those DC and maryland summers all too well. humidity saps even people without M.S. but when it’s 94 stinkin’ degrees in march, it can be hard to remember to be thankful that we’re semi-arid, and not humid!! one thing i’ve been doing is, once i switched from night owl to early bird, it stuck — i’m usually up before or around sunrise. i go around the house and open all the windows and sliding screens when i first get up, while it’s still chilly, to let the cooler air in. then when it gets hotter later, i switch on all the ceiling fans dennis installed — no ac. after that, quite often i’m afraid i end up sitting under one of them with a glass of ice water all day, with ‘breaks’ for dozing off on the couch. ARGH. won’t have that luxury today — got a dentist’s appointment. o joy! LOL. i’m thankful that medicaid,which i only had briefly, has now retroactively approved my crown and last 3 root canals — but i can think of SO many more pleasant ways to spend a hot, hot monday morning than sitting in a dentist’s chair. at least he DOES have air conditioning!  :-> stay chilly!  :-> rose

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"hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message <news:c3j71k$r8d$1@news.netins.net>… >  I seem to become more heat sensitive > with each passing year. It seems to follow the progression of my ms.

hi kathy, thyis is something i’ve started to notice only in the past few years — my heat tolerance has markedly decreased.  i had wondered if it had anything to do with M.S. progression, or length of time with the disease, or anything like that. but we’ve also been experiencing hotter weather all year long foir several years in a row — records broken almost every day — so i’ve never been sure. one way in which i noticed worsening of heat intolerance that can’t be blamed on the weather, tho, is with bathing. i’ve never, ever been able to abide a ‘tepid shower.’ so in earlier days, what i did was, say heck with the tepid showers and taking HOT baths instead, but instead of in the morning when firstr getting up, i’d take them in the evening, right before bed. it was great, relaxed all my muscles, made me nice and drowsy. see, up till recently, heat has mainly affecte4d me by increasing weakness and fatigue — so i figured, i’ll just be weak and fatigued and go to bed, no problem!  but recently, other symptoms have been rearing up as well as the fatigue and weakness, and on a couple occasions the weakness has been so bad i’ve had trouble getting out of the tub, even tho dennis [my handy man, LOL!] installed grab bars next to the tub. i kind of grab them, slither over the tub like a snake, then collapse on the bath mat and lay there a while face-down till i can grab MORE grab bars and pull into a standing position. GRRR. and oh well, i guess. and another GRRRR just for good measure! rose

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"rose dawn scott" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cac53056.0403220621.44988d78@posting.google.com… > "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message

<news:c3ig84$5fu$1@news.netins.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a > > sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! > hi kathy, > oh man, do i hear that!!  here in san diego’s east county, it’s > usually about 10 degrees hotter than the coastal area, and we’ve ad a > whole run of days over 90 degrees, and boy am i feeling it!  :{ > tami always says ‘at least it’s not humid like it was back east where > you grew up’ and i gotta admit, i remember those DC and maryland > summers all too well. humidity saps even people without M.S. > but when it’s 94 stinkin’ degrees in march, it can be hard to remember > to be thankful that we’re semi-arid, and not humid!! > one thing i’ve been doing is, once i switched from night owl to early > bird, it stuck — i’m usually up before or around sunrise. i go around > the house and open all the windows and sliding screens when i first > get up, while it’s still chilly, to let the cooler air in. then when > it gets hotter later, i switch on all the ceiling fans dennis > installed — no ac. after that, quite often i’m afraid i end up > sitting under one of them with a glass of ice water all day, with > ‘breaks’ for dozing off on the couch. ARGH. > won’t have that luxury today — got a dentist’s appointment. o joy! > LOL. i’m thankful that medicaid,which i only had briefly, has now > retroactively approved my crown and last 3 root canals — but i can > think of SO many more pleasant ways to spend a hot, hot monday morning > than sitting in a dentist’s chair. at least he DOES have air > conditioning!  :-> > stay chilly!  :-> > rose

 Hi Rose,    How do you manage the heat without an air-conditioner? I don’t know how I could do that. We live out in the country so we get our water from a well. Dale built a home made central air-conditioner that uses the water from the well, 2 radiators, an electric motor (that runs the fan.) & assorted tubing. It does a pretty good job at making it bearable during the hot months.    Kathy K.

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why when it is 70 degrees outside do I feel fine outdoors, but 70 inside, and I am roasting..? — Laura GAYLAN FOR PRESIDENT I am a proud member of the bloodletting aspartame silicone implants gluten dairy mercury amalgam lyme antibiotic incest multiple sclerosis fiboromylagia vaccination reunion committee and survivors group. <troll trap> "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message

news:c3kvnj$3gc$1@news.netins.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jeff Boman" <cr…@bigfootz.com> wrote in message > news:i4lr50df0f7vguhe6k2l0gqhs8pr4umdug@4ax.com… > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:36:11 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> > > wrote: > > > I know – that’s why I was so upset. The inside temp was in the 70s. At > that > > >temp I’m already in trouble. I just have to head north….. > > As someone who has faced deep freeze in winter for 36 years+, trust > > me: there’s nothing to envy. > > Jeff > > — > > MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope! > > Subscribe form at: > > http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html > > It’s also now a Website! http://www.m-sinfo.org >  Hi Jeff, >   I live in Northern Iowa & we experience cold winters every year. I have > always loved winter. The cold temps do tend to make one move a little more > stiffly but, my over-all feeling is much better during winter. The minute > the temps go up my vision is just terrible & walking is almost impossible. > My pain levels go off the chart during periods of warm weather. >    Kathy K.

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"Laura" <the_happy_w…@myrealbox.bom> wrote in message

news:DNo7c.46274$8G2.12493@fe3.columbus.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why when it is 70 degrees outside do I feel fine outdoors, but 70 inside, > and I am roasting..? > — > Laura > GAYLAN FOR PRESIDENT > I am a proud member of the bloodletting aspartame silicone implants gluten > dairy mercury amalgam lyme antibiotic incest multiple sclerosis > fiboromylagia vaccination reunion committee and survivors group. <troll > trap> > "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message > news:c3kvnj$3gc$1@news.netins.net… > > "Jeff Boman" <cr…@bigfootz.com> wrote in message > > news:i4lr50df0f7vguhe6k2l0gqhs8pr4umdug@4ax.com… > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:36:11 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> > > > wrote: > > > > I know – that’s why I was so upset. The inside temp was in the 70s. At > > that > > > >temp I’m already in trouble. I just have to head north….. > > > As someone who has faced deep freeze in winter for 36 years+, trust > > > me: there’s nothing to envy. > > > Jeff > > > — > > > MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope! > > > Subscribe form at: > > > http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html > > > It’s also now a Website! http://www.m-sinfo.org > >  Hi Jeff, > >   I live in Northern Iowa & we experience cold winters every year. I have > > always loved winter. The cold temps do tend to make one move a little more > > stiffly but, my over-all feeling is much better during winter. The minute > > the temps go up my vision is just terrible & walking is almost impossible. > > My pain levels go off the chart during periods of warm weather. > >    Kathy K.

 Hi Laura,   I suppose it’s because there is a lack of air movement inside. Please don’t listen to me – I’ve been in a major  mental fog lately (worse than usual…). I’m having a major problem speaking too. That is so frustrating! >8-(

     Kathy K.

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"EnterCJscastle" <entercjscas…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040321214637.05020.00000180@mb-m12.aol.com… > Hi Kathy, > Where in northern Iowa do you live?  I live at Mankato, Mn.  We are neighbors > so to speak.  I know what you say about the season changing.  I also get worse > in the spring and fall. > Carol

 Howdy (neighbor) Carol,   I live south of Mason City, IA..     Kathy K.

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>  I know – that’s why I was so upset. The inside temp was in the 70s. At that > temp I’m already in trouble. I just have to head north….. >     Kathy K.

The sun came out early this morning.  I actually made it to church, but the heat built up in the car during the extra-long service.  By the time we got home, I was more than half-baked… or something like.  The house was still cool enough, though.  Time to dust off the fans.  How far north do we need to go? melodymom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Jeff Boman" <cr…@bigfootz.com> wrote in message

news:i4lr50df0f7vguhe6k2l0gqhs8pr4umdug@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:36:11 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> > wrote: > > I know – that’s why I was so upset. The inside temp was in the 70s. At that > >temp I’m already in trouble. I just have to head north….. > As someone who has faced deep freeze in winter for 36 years+, trust > me: there’s nothing to envy. > Jeff > — > MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope! > Subscribe form at: > http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html > It’s also now a Website! http://www.m-sinfo.org

 Hi Jeff,   I live in Northern Iowa & we experience cold winters every year. I have always loved winter. The cold temps do tend to make one move a little more stiffly but, my over-all feeling is much better during winter. The minute the temps go up my vision is just terrible & walking is almost impossible. My pain levels go off the chart during periods of warm weather.    Kathy K.

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"Glen Appleby" <dirtde…@rcip.com> wrote in message

news:a93r505p8snmqae9q8ea012q48qjrocame@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:23:03 -0600, in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> > wrote: > >It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a > >sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! > It’s been like that, here in Suckramento, for a few weeks! > Kathy (my wife) needs a bypass and we are tossing the idea around > of moving to someplace cooler (around Salinas, Castroville, etc. > … someplace on the central coast of California).  The only > question to answer at this point is have the bypass then move or > move then have the bypass. > It’s relatively cool (in the 50s) tonight and it was still too > hot for me to be able to get out of bed without continuously > falling back into bed while transferring to my SEWER. > I just can’t do another summer, here. > — > "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love." > — "A General Theory Of Love"  Thanks, Mom > ______________________________________________________________ > Glen Appleby  gl…@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>

 Hi Glen,    Please tell Kathy (your wife:-) good luck on the bypass surgery.   I really don’t know how you deal with that kind of weather. I feel for you. At least I have a real winter. The warm time of the year I’m pretty much depressed.     Kathy K.

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:51:06 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > Jim – are you talking about the North Pole? >     K.K.

Ottawa.  I live in nearby Perth (about 50 miles away).  — LAURA FOR MINISTER OF FINANCE

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Hi Kathy, Where in northern Iowa do you live?  I live at Mankato, Mn.  We are neighbors so to speak.  I know what you say about the season changing.  I also get worse in the spring and fall. Carol

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brrrrrr…  lol  There’s just no pleasing some people.  ;) melodymom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jim Carter wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:29:50 -0800, melodynamic <melodymo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >>Time to dust off the fans.  How far >>north do we need to go? > Issued 3.30 PM est Saturday 20 March 2004 >     Tonight :   Periods of snow. Amount 5 cm. Wind northwest 20 km/h increasing > to 30 gusting to 50 overnight. Low zero. >     Sunday :   Cloudy with sunny periods. 60 percent chance of flurries in the > morning. Clearing late in the day. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. > Temperature steady near minus 3. UV index 3 or moderate. >     Monday :   Sunny. Low minus 13. High minus 6. >     Tuesday :   Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 2. >     Wednesday :   Sunny. Low minus 5. High plus 4. >     Normals for the period :   Low minus 6. High plus 4. >  — > LAURA FOR MINISTER OF FINANCE

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"Jim Carter" <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote in message

news:2qes50pima5k4ntf9a28aa55gahi7n5bmu@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:29:50 -0800, melodynamic <melodymo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > >Time to dust off the fans.  How far > >north do we need to go? > Issued 3.30 PM est Saturday 20 March 2004 >     Tonight :   Periods of snow. Amount 5 cm. Wind northwest 20 km/h increasing > to 30 gusting to 50 overnight. Low zero. >     Sunday :   Cloudy with sunny periods. 60 percent chance of flurries in the > morning. Clearing late in the day. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. > Temperature steady near minus 3. UV index 3 or moderate. >     Monday :   Sunny. Low minus 13. High minus 6. >     Tuesday :   Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 2. >     Wednesday :   Sunny. Low minus 5. High plus 4. >     Normals for the period :   Low minus 6. High plus 4. >  — > LAURA FOR MINISTER OF FINANCE

 Jim – are you talking about the North Pole?      K.K.

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:29:50 -0800, melodynamic <melodymo…@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >Time to dust off the fans.  How far >north do we need to go?

Issued 3.30 PM est Saturday 20 March 2004     Tonight :   Periods of snow. Amount 5 cm. Wind northwest 20 km/h increasing to 30 gusting to 50 overnight. Low zero.     Sunday :   Cloudy with sunny periods. 60 percent chance of flurries in the morning. Clearing late in the day. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. Temperature steady near minus 3. UV index 3 or moderate.     Monday :   Sunny. Low minus 13. High minus 6.     Tuesday :   Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 2.     Wednesday :   Sunny. Low minus 5. High plus 4.     Normals for the period :   Low minus 6. High plus 4.  — LAURA FOR MINISTER OF FINANCE

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"Sylvia" <Sylv772…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:e43f7f84.0403202033.127aa03e@posting.google.com… > Hi Kathy; > > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. > You and me both.  It was a lovely day today; sunny and in the 60s. > Everybody but me is happy to see Spring coming. > What’s that creature that hates heat and sun?  That’s me! > Sylvia

 Thanks Sylvia! It is so nice to know that there are people out there that understand it. Isn’t it horrible to dread spring time. And please don’t mention the *humidity*!    Kathy K.

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:23:03 -0600, in alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote: >It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a >sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT!

It’s been like that, here in Suckramento, for a few weeks! Kathy (my wife) needs a bypass and we are tossing the idea around of moving to someplace cooler (around Salinas, Castroville, etc. … someplace on the central coast of California).  The only question to answer at this point is have the bypass then move or move then have the bypass. It’s relatively cool (in the 50s) tonight and it was still too hot for me to be able to get out of bed without continuously falling back into bed while transferring to my SEWER. I just can’t do another summer, here. — "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love." — "A General Theory Of Love"  Thanks, Mom ______________________________________________________________ Glen Appleby  gl…@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:36:11 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote: > I know – that’s why I was so upset. The inside temp was in the 70s. At that >temp I’m already in trouble. I just have to head north…..

As someone who has faced deep freeze in winter for 36 years+, trust me: there’s nothing to envy. Jeff — MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope! Subscribe form at: http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html It’s also now a Website! http://www.m-sinfo.org

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"Jim Carter" <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote in message

news:nirp5096da8b1hvk5nl7mkl2tkfsqq96ju@4ax.com… > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:23:03 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > >It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a > >sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! > >     Kathy K. > C’mon up here and we can make snow angels. >  — > LAURA FOR MINISTER OF FINANCE

 Hey Jim – that sounds like fun! I love to make snow angels. I’ll be right up!     Kathy K.

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"NAUAuntie" <jewa…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:oN77c.85170$iO.53394@fe21… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> me too Kathy – I am in the high desert of Northern Arizona – TOOOOOOOOO hot > already.  I head back "down" to Flagstaff tomorrow to cool off, even though > it is hot there too! > I am going to begin sleeping with my body coolers from here on out… > Jane in AZ > *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* > remove the SPAMMERSBEWARE > j…@dana.SPAMMERSBEWARE.ucc.nau.edu > "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message > news:c3ig84$5fu$1@news.netins.net… > > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s > a > > sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! > >      Kathy K. > > — > > "The Raven keeps one eye on the future – yet – one eye on the past so his > > journey is always straight…" > > http://showcase.netins.net/web/motherearthfathersky/

 Hi Jane,   I can’t imagine living where you live & making it through summer. I live in Iowa & the summer here is terrible. I seem to become more heat sensitive with each passing year. It seems to follow the progression of my ms.    Kathy K.

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:23:03 -0600, "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a >sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! >     Kathy K.

C’mon up here and we can make snow angels.  — LAURA FOR MINISTER OF FINANCE

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me too Kathy – I am in the high desert of Northern Arizona – TOOOOOOOOO hot already.  I head back "down" to Flagstaff tomorrow to cool off, even though it is hot there too! I am going to begin sleeping with my body coolers from here on out… Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* remove the SPAMMERSBEWARE j…@dana.SPAMMERSBEWARE.ucc.nau.edu "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message

news:c3ig84$5fu$1@news.netins.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a > sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! >      Kathy K. > — > "The Raven keeps one eye on the future – yet – one eye on the past so his > journey is always straight…" > http://showcase.netins.net/web/motherearthfathersky/

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Hi Kathy; > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer.

You and me both.  It was a lovely day today; sunny and in the 60s. Everybody but me is happy to see Spring coming. What’s that creature that hates heat and sun?  That’s me! Sylvia

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"Cara Wagner" <carawagner10…@att.net> wrote in message

news:dF57c.169$tY6.3398@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message > news:c3ig84$5fu$1@news.netins.net… > > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s > a > > sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! > >      Kathy K. > > — > > "The Raven keeps one eye on the future – yet – one eye on the past so his > > journey is always straight…" > > http://showcase.netins.net/web/motherearthfathersky/ > Isn’t it only in the 50’s in the midwest today?  Cheer up!! Weather Channel > says that there will be a 10-25 degree drop from today to tomorrow. > CW, on Cara’s computer

 I know – that’s why I was so upset. The inside temp was in the 70s. At that temp I’m already in trouble. I just have to head north…..     Kathy K.

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It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT!      Kathy K. — "The Raven keeps one eye on the future – yet – one eye on the past so his journey is always straight…" http://showcase.netins.net/web/motherearthfathersky/

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"hantayo" <hantay…@netins.net> wrote in message

news:c3ig84$5fu$1@news.netins.net… > It’s already too hot & it’s only March 20th. I just dread summer. It’s a > sunny day & it’s way too warm inside – I HATE IT! >      Kathy K. > — > "The Raven keeps one eye on the future – yet – one eye on the past so his > journey is always straight…" > http://showcase.netins.net/web/motherearthfathersky/

Isn’t it only in the 50’s in the midwest today?  Cheer up!! Weather Channel says that there will be a 10-25 degree drop from today to tomorrow. CW, on Cara’s computer

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    Thanks! It is a lot more than $50! Price range is from $475 to $595. The light actually stays on constantly and is intended to kill the stuff that grows on the coils rather than what flows past in the air stream. I found some stuff on it being used to prevent TB and it appears to work in labs, just wonder if it will actually accomplish anything of use at home. We do have mold allergies, but all the stuff I have found on home use in A/C’s seems rather partisan rather than empirical. — Thomas M. Goethe "ENTconsult" <entcons…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20030806112919.19750.00000091@mb-m23.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In checking around, I get the impression that the time the UV lights expose the > fungus in the automatic ac unitis is insufficient to kill effectively. but i > haven’t read any official studies here. If it costs more than 50 bucks, I would > hesitate to pay it, based on the fact that it requires time for the UV to be > effective. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com > http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/

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    Anyone have any experience with one of the UV-C germicidal lights installed inside the air handler of their central air conditioner? — Thomas M. Goethe

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In checking around, I get the impression that the time the UV lights expose the fungus in the automatic ac unitis is insufficient to kill effectively. but i haven’t read any official studies here. If it costs more than 50 bucks, I would hesitate to pay it, based on the fact that it requires time for the UV to be effective. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/

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And ..Dale… word of advice… MarkG…hes not even to hack class yet…so you might want to take what he says with a BIG grain of salt.. So far, he has given wrong, dangerous, and potentially deadly advice.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the input… I misread the guy’s scribble…both are two-ton proposals…one is 13 SEER, the other (Heil) 12. 6 of one, half a dozen of another.  Thermopride is a good name and Heil is also good, you can flip a coin between them. But there is a difference between the 2 ton 13 seer Goodman (Janitrol) and the 1 ton Heil 12 seer A/C.    I think if you check that the Goodman will have a better mfg warranty than the Heil but in all fairness the Heil has a slightly better name than the Goodman.  (my personal biased opinion is that the two brand names in practicality are pretty equal)  But, why the descrepancy in tonnages?   Do you need one ton or two? Good luck, A/Cman www.TalkHvac.com After waiting a light-year just to get a call-back, I have finally received two competing bids on a new furnace/central air installation. Knowing virually nothing about either (other than what the HVAC reps have told me about their respective units) I’m hoping for a little feedback for my decision, which I would like to make today and get the ball rolling. The high bid ($3500.00 with tax) is on a Thermopride OL5-85 85,000 BTU fuel oil furnace and a Janitrol CLJ-24 2-ton 13 SEER air-conditioner, coil, outdoor pad, 25′ line set, heating and cooling thermostat, outside fuse box and whip.  The HVAC rep told me my power company is offering a $200.00 rebate during May on 13 SEER units, so in fairness, let’s make the bid $3300.00. The low bid ($2983 with tax) is on a Heil low-boy front flue oil furnace (model not listed on the proposal) and new thermostat.  Install Heil 1-ton 12-SEER central air conditioner (model not listed), condenser and pump to drain.  5 yr parts and 1 yr labor warranty. Both proposals specify NO ELECTRICAL. I’ve heard of Heil, am not familiar with Thermopride or Janitrol, but the rep told me the Thermopride is a superior, heavy duty furnace. As with most people, cost up front is important, but so is quality and efficiency, since I’m on rural electric. Thanks in advance for any input.

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Yes, what CB said about mark! He "Mark" has no clue! First, Heil doesn’t make a 1 ton unit! Heil & Janitrol have 5 yr parts warranty! This pretty much blows his post right off the map. Is the Heil unit an HAC or NAC??? HAC is a scroll with a 10 yr compressor warranty with a matched coil. kjpro

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But there is a difference between the 2 ton 13 seer Goodman (Janitrol) and the 1 ton Heil 12 seer A/C.    I think if you check that the Goodman will have a better mfg warranty than the Heil but in all fairness the Heil has a slightly better name than the Goodman.  (my personal biased opinion is that the two brand names in practicality are pretty equal)  But, why the descrepancy in tonnages?   Do you need one ton or two? Good luck, A/Cman

Get a F**king clue MORON!! Heil doesn’t even make a 1 ton unit!! Both warranties are 5 yr parts, unless the Heil is a HAC model having a 10 yr comp. warranty!(with a matched coil) And Heil is a lot better than Goodman/Janitrol. kjpro

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Reply below Northern MN.   We’ll need lots of quality heat for 10 or 11 months, and oh, say, 4 days of A/C this summer. In all seriousness, I’m in a small house (1,000 sq ft) and I figure that explains it.

Northern, MN and only 1000-sq. ft., 4 days of A/C, a 1

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I have a 1990 York Thermo pump (I guess around 3 tons). I wonder if I can obtain a separate decent liquid to liquid heat exchanger that I can connect my pool pipes to, and that would not corrode. Anything out there for that purpose? How about installation expertise? Thanks P.S. I got this thermo pump with an "A" air heat exchanger and pipes from a second hand sale, thinking of using it for my house central air system. But a hvac person recommended that I only use it as a air conditioner, because it might leak if turned to the heating cycle. Since I am located in the north (Canada), I thought of getting a new central air conditioner only for the house and try to use that heat pump for the pool. Is that a good idea or should I never mind the pool, and try to install my thermo pump as a air conditioner for my house, do all the installation myself and have a hvac person come and test and fill the system and find out if it works all well. Is it worth it? The "A" air exchanger looks a bit rusty (surface rust) and the thermo pump has been sitting outside unconnected for the past two years.

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Heat exchangers can be found easily enough (go through a supply house). But I’m wondering more about how much you expect from a 3 ton unit. I did propane hookups for many pool heaters in the philadelphia area. The boiler outputs were typically between 200,000 and 300,000 btu/h. I don’t see 36,000 btu/h doing all that much for your pool.  Of course I don’t know all your particulars either.  But just to give you an idea of how much energy pools can use, many customers had us remove the two 420-lb capacity lp tanks after the first refill; many were in shock regarding the expense. You should find out what boiler size would be needed for your pool. Then you can decide if you want to get fancy with a refrig/water heat exchanger. Scout – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 1990 York Thermo pump (I guess around 3 tons). I wonder if I can obtain a separate decent liquid to liquid heat exchanger that I can connect my pool pipes to, and that would not corrode. Anything out there for that purpose?

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Go to www.flateplate.com they have a full selection of  pool heat exchangers that can be used w/boilers or refrigerant. Jim Malone

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 1990 York Thermo pump (I guess around 3 tons). I wonder if I can obtain a separate decent liquid to liquid heat exchanger that I can connect my pool pipes to, and that would not corrode. Anything out there for that purpose? How about installation expertise? Thanks P.S. I got this thermo pump with an "A" air heat exchanger and pipes from a second hand sale, thinking of using it for my house central air system. But a hvac person recommended that I only use it as a air conditioner, because it might leak if turned to the heating cycle. Since I am located in the north (Canada), I thought of getting a new central air conditioner only for the house and try to use that heat pump for the pool. Is that a good idea or should I never mind the pool, and try to install my thermo pump as a air conditioner for my house, do all the installation myself and have a hvac person come and test and fill the system and find out if it works all well. Is it worth it? The "A" air exchanger looks a bit rusty (surface rust) and the thermo pump has been sitting outside unconnected for the past two years.

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You really got a bag of worms here.  The best thing for you to do is to find a reputable hvac person that will be honest with  you and pay him for a service call to come and check out the system as closely as possible.  A unit that has been setting out open for 2 years is probably not savable. What happens is that moisture becomes impregnated into the windings and other parts of the internal system and is near impossible to remove once saturated so even if the unit does run you will mostl likely be changing it out sooner than later anyway. Good Luck, A/Cman www.TalkHvac.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 1990 York Thermo pump (I guess around 3 tons). I wonder if I can obtain a separate decent liquid to liquid heat exchanger that I can connect my pool pipes to, and that would not corrode. Anything out there for that purpose? How about installation expertise? Thanks P.S. I got this thermo pump with an "A" air heat exchanger and pipes from a second hand sale, thinking of using it for my house central air system. But a hvac person recommended that I only use it as a air conditioner, because it might leak if turned to the heating cycle. Since I am located in the north (Canada), I thought of getting a new central air conditioner only for the house and try to use that heat pump for the pool. Is that a good idea or should I never mind the pool, and try to install my thermo pump as a air conditioner for my house, do all the installation myself and have a hvac person come and test and fill the system and find out if it works all well. Is it worth it? The "A" air exchanger looks a bit rusty (surface rust) and the thermo pump has been sitting outside unconnected for the past two years.

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    I have a question I thing one of you could answer for me.  I have noticed a number of houses with two meter sockets right beside each other. I know these houses are not duplexes or subdivided into apartments.  What gives with the two sockets and meters? Some Utility companies offer a discount for "off peak demand" water heating. I really don’t know but that may be the use for the second meter on a single family home.

There’s another we used to do all the time… Add another 100a service to a home when the existing 100a service was inadequate. Doing this used to cost about 400.00 less than upgrading the entire service to 200a. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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We have 2 meters. One for central AC only. The power co. can kill the power to it by remote controll at peak draw times. Here is a quote… "Our Interruptible Air Conditioning Program could save you up to 20% off your basic service rate. To take advantage of this special rate, your central air conditioner or heat pump is wired to a separate meter and radio control unit. By allowing us to briefly cycle your service by remote control on very hot days or when there is a high demand for electricity, you save over the basic residential rate. The cycles are limited to 15 minutes maximum at a time followed by at least 15 minutes of operation and limited to no more than eight hours in a 24-hour period so they should not noticeably affect the temperature inside your home." Had this for years and never notice it shut off, though I’m sure it does. Their site… http://utilities.dteenergy.com/productsServices/interAirCon.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have 2 meters. One for central AC only. The power co. can kill the power to it by remote controll at peak draw times. Here is a quote… "Our Interruptible Air Conditioning Program could save you up to 20% off your basic service rate. To take advantage of this special rate, your central air conditioner or heat pump is wired to a separate meter and radio control unit. By allowing us to briefly cycle your service by remote control on very hot days or when there is a high demand for electricity, you save over the basic residential rate. The cycles are limited to 15 minutes maximum at a time followed by at least 15 minutes of operation and limited to no more than eight hours in a 24-hour period so they should not noticeably affect the temperature inside your home." Had this for years and never notice it shut off, though I’m sure it does. Their site… http://utilities.dteenergy.com/productsServices/interAirCon.html

Suppose I get that, andd wrap tin foil around the thing? =:-) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have 2 meters. One for central AC only. The power co. can kill the power to it by remote controll at peak draw times. Here is a quote… "Our Interruptible Air Conditioning Program could save you up to 20% off your basic service rate. To take advantage of this special rate, your central air conditioner or heat pump is wired to a separate meter and radio control unit. By allowing us to briefly cycle your service by remote control on very hot days or when there is a high demand for electricity, you save over the basic residential rate. The cycles are limited to 15 minutes maximum at a time followed by at least 15 minutes of operation and limited to no more than eight hours in a 24-hour period so they should not noticeably affect the temperature inside your home." Had this for years and never notice it shut off, though I’m sure it does. Their site… http://utilities.dteenergy.com/productsServices/interAirCon.html Suppose I get that, andd wrap tin foil around the thing? =:-) .

Buddy The radio frequency control signal travels on the power wires so the only way to not receive the signal is to disconnect the power yourself and I cant imagine that is what you had in mind. — Tom

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    I have a question I thing one of you could answer for me.  I have noticed a number of houses with two meter sockets right beside each other. I know these houses are not duplexes or subdivided into apartments.  What gives with the two sockets and meters?

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I have noticed a number of houses with two meter sockets right beside each other. I know these houses are not duplexes or subdivided into apartments.  What gives with the two sockets and meters?

Air conditioner,some people like to get two bills so they know how much they are spending on cooling the air.So the second meter is for that or maybe they have an apartment in the basement or in the attic.

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Years ago, a ‘rural’ town I lived in had their own utility service(water, sewer, gas and electric).  Most of the houses had 2 meter bases on them. When I asked, I was told the city used to charge differently for the electricity to power the domestic water heaters.  They discontinued it when people started tapping into that service for household use, since the rates were cheaper.  You could also find 3 phase power in some of the older houses. What part of the country are you in? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I have a question I thing one of you could answer for me.  I have noticed a number of houses with two meter sockets right beside each other. I know these houses are not duplexes or subdivided into apartments.  What gives with the two sockets and meters?

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    I have a question I thing one of you could answer for me.  I have noticed a number of houses with two meter sockets right beside each other. I know these houses are not duplexes or subdivided into apartments.  What gives with the two sockets and meters?

Some Utility companies offer a discount for "off peak demand" water heating. I really don’t know but that may be the use for the second meter on a single family home.

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Does a central air conditioner like a Trane bring air in from the outside or does it recycle the inside air. I’m doing a speech on indoor air pollution and am just curious.

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Hi Garan, hope you are having a nice day On 08-Sep-02 At About 06:44:33, Garan wrote to All  G Does a central air conditioner like a Trane bring air in from the  G outside or does it recycle the inside air. I’m doing a speech on  G indoor air pollution and am just curious. It all depends on whether or not we are talking about commercial units. Most commercial units bring in a certain amount of fresh air ( usually about 10 or 15% ) but residential usually doesn’t. it all depends on how they are set up.  -= HvacTech2 <=- .. Here’s John Bobbitt with a few words about Crazy Glue.                     ___ TagDude 0.92

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i just replace the air filter in my central air conditioner today and noticed the old one was soaking wet.  also the air conditioner doesn’t seem to be cooling the house that well.. any advice on where i should be diagonosing?

In the yellow pages???

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as it turned out, the coils were all iced over.  i openned up the panel and removed/melted the ice and shop vacced the water up.. i don’t suppose that did the trick and fixed things.  i know that icing can be a result of many things, of which low freon is one (the coils seemed fairly clean).  is this something i can check myself (freon) or should i give up and call someone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi matt, hope you are having a nice day On 25-Aug-02 At About 01:41:51, matt wrote to All  m i just replace the air filter in my central air conditioner today and  m noticed the old one was soaking wet.  also the air conditioner  m doesn’t seem to be cooling the house that well.. any advice on where  m i should be diagonosing?  thanks It’s hard to say without being there but it could be freezing th evaporator coil. It would be best to call a local company to check this for you.  -= HvacTech2 <=- .. A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he’s pissed.                     ___ TagDude 0.92

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"Good lightning protection on the tower?"  The tower is securely grounded, and neither lightning strike showed any evidence of fire, except some fried resistors and capacitors on the circuit board of the air conditioner.  I am open to suggestions, but there are no guarantees with lightning.

look at www.polyphaser.com our 1,926′ tower gets struck 100’s of times a year with no damage done.  We don’t use any active lightning protection (on the tower), only grounding.  The polyphaser site will have onfo on proper grounding.  

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    That does not mean the tower is properly protected.  I suggest finding a company that provides that service and have them take a look. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

"Good lightning protection on the tower?"  The tower is securely grounded, and neither lightning strike showed any evidence of fire, except some fried resistors and capacitors on the circuit board of the air conditioner.  I am open to suggestions, but there are no guarantees with lightning.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds like you don’t have good lighting protection on  the tower. Properly protected it should be able to safely handle the strikes without damage to your home.  I would get that done real soon.  The next strike might do more than just blow out a board; it might burn down the house. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

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"Good lightning protection on the tower?"  The tower is securely grounded, and neither lightning strike showed any evidence of fire, except some fried resistors and capacitors on the circuit board of the air conditioner.  I am open to suggestions, but there are no guarantees with lightning. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds like you don’t have good lighting protection on  the tower. Properly protected it should be able to safely handle the strikes without damage to your home.  I would get that done real soon.  The next strike might do more than just blow out a board; it might burn down the house. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

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    Sounds like you don’t have good lighting protection on  the tower. Properly protected it should be able to safely handle the strikes without damage to your home.  I would get that done real soon.  The next strike might do more than just blow out a board; it might burn down the house. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

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In July I had my phone lines fried twice on same pole connection. Phone line from house hooked to power line pole and then went down to underground cable, It literally disintergrated the line from where it hooked to pole down to the underground cable connection. .Also a cabin electric lead is on same pole.. It blew the  circuit breakers the first go around in he cabin . On second strike it blew the circuit breakers out of the box and welded the main circuit  disconnect  in the box to where it couldn’t be removed. Lucky it did not start a fire in the cabin, but things were sooty around the box. So lightning does strike twice at same point. Lucky it all went to ground at the electric pole as it had a grounding wire on it. and nothing was damaged in my house. JackD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

That does not seem strange at all and when the third strike occurs you will understand. Something has changed. Either the antenna ground is faulty or something. Think about installing one or more lightening rods. Others will provide information I’m sure.

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It is very possible for lighting to strike the same object numerous times. The surge protectors may help in some situations, but I’d bet the first strike was stronger. A tree near my parent’s house was struck and it blew out numerous devices in the house and damaged some circuit breakers. A treadmill plugged into the same surge strip as a computer was damaged but the computer was amazingly not harmed. John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

Time to replace the Pt of use surge suppressors!! NJBrad

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Hard to believe, but the 50-foot-high TV antenna at my rural home took another lightning strike a few days ago, the second in only twelve months.  Once again, the strike shorted out the primary circuit board of my central air conditioner (the outdoor condenser sits next to the TV antenna) and the strike also killed the antenna rotor. The good news is that everything else that was fried in the first strike (home computer, television, stereo, satellite receiver box) survived this second strike thanks to point-of-use plug-in surge protectors.  They really worked!  I also have a whole-house surge protector at the home’s service entrance, but the point-of-use power strips saved the day. We haven’t had a lightning strike in over 40 years, but now two just in the past year.  Strange but true.

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"cbhvac" wrote People die..people in the trade get killed..hell..I about lost a finger today, and all in hell I was doing was setting a coil on a blower…new construction…two piece air handler…rounded edges..and I still have 2 stitches..and the pics that the helper took shows a floor that looks like a murder scene..blood all over… Hmmm. Somebody wasn’t using their safety equipment. Leather gloves. Safety glasses. Hard hat. Know what I mean CB?  ;/

I guess you haven’t worked on some of the major appliances that are out there in the market these days. With all the unfinished metal edges, you’re need safety gloves to the shoulder to avoid getting cut and then you couldn’t feel the fiddley screws that need to be installed in the most inadvantageous places. 8~} One reason a lot of technicians hate to work on Frigidaire made appliances. Dan O.

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Actually, I had already tried it with the gloves on…its a 14SEER two piece that is in a tight spot..just did NOT want to c0-operate.. We got it in this morning about 6am..ran the duct and called for rough in… Hopefully, Monday we can finish running drains, and setting the outer units by 9..:) Always got the glasses…perscription even..:) And hard hats…always on a new construction site…normally on any site..depends on whats gonna fall on us..:)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People die..people in the trade get killed..hell..I about lost a finger today, and all in hell I was doing was setting a coil on a blower…new construction…two piece air handler…rounded edges..and I still have 2 stitches..and the pics that the helper took shows a floor that looks like a murder scene..blood all over… Hmmm. Somebody wasn’t using their safety equipment. Leather gloves. Safety glasses. Hard hat. Know what I mean CB?  ;/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I know no one can be that stupid I’m fairly new to news groups but there is one thing I’ve noticed that I just can’t understand When someone is asking for help, why do people reply with "NO HELP" answers ? Are they just trying to bring attention to themselves or are they wannabe comedians or what It seems to me like it’s just a big waste of time and adds more clutter for no reason I can sorta understand when people try to give an honest answer when they think they know what they are talking about even though they don’t, at least they are trying just curious

Well Dean, When one has been around sometime one does develop a certain sense about what’s kosher and what’s not.  The original post didn’t seem quite right for some reason.   "cbhvac" nailed it  when he wrote "Why is he looking for the compressor? What does he REALLY want to do that he needs to know?" Some pepople who post here (and in other newsgroups) do take delight in challenging the intelligence of participants on their knowledge of any subject by taking  ordinary things in life and giving it a spin. Usually they leave a clue so obvious  and yet conceaed that it takes a double take to see it. I find this delightful and I really enjoy many of the replies others write.  It makes darn good dinner table conversation.  I myself do not have this level of wit yet to contribute to the fun.  The only rule ito be followed is to take it in good humour and never post anything that is rude or denigrates the original post.

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People die..people in the trade get killed..hell..I about lost a finger today, and all in hell I was doing was setting a coil on a blower…new construction…two piece air handler…rounded edges..and I still have 2 stitches..and the pics that the helper took shows a floor that looks like a murder scene..blood all over…

Hmmm. Somebody wasn’t using their safety equipment. Leather gloves. Safety glasses. Hard hat. Know what I mean CB?  ;/

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Dean, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I know no one can be that stupid I’m fairly new to news groups but there is one thing I’ve noticed that I just can’t understand When someone is asking for help, why do people reply with "NO HELP" answers ? Are they just trying to bring attention to themselves or are they wannabe comedians or what It seems to me like it’s just a big waste of time and adds more clutter for no reason I can sorta understand when people try to give an honest answer when they think they know what they are talking about even though they don’t, at least they are trying just curious Dean Call Simple answer,

There is no mix up a sander can’t fix up !!!  (Al Bundy)

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When someone is asking for help, why do people reply with "NO HELP" answers ? Are they just trying to bring attention to themselves or are they wannabe comedians or what

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I know no one can be that stupid

OH yes they can…oh yes…yes..they can.. I’m fairly new to news groups but there is one thing I’ve noticed that I just can’t understand

How to use that key with the and the . on it?? When someone is asking for help, why do people reply with "NO HELP" answers ?

Like yours? Are they just trying to bring attention to themselves or are they wannabe comedians or what

Look to the lower right side of your keys..right beside the key with ? and / It seems to me like it’s just a big waste of time and adds more clutter for no reason

Define clutter..we dont cater to what you want to see… Lighten up for starters.. I can sorta understand when people try to give an honest answer when they think they know what they are talking about even though they don’t, at least they are trying

And creating more problems for the person? This was an HVAC question, and you know what?? People die..people in the trade get killed..hell..I about lost a finger today, and all in hell I was doing was setting a coil on a blower…new construction…two piece air handler…rounded edges..and I still have 2 stitches..and the pics that the helper took shows a floor that looks like a murder scene..blood all over…and I am not a free bleeder…now..what if that was an untrained person, and he lost a hand? Why is he looking for the compressor? What does he REALLY want to do that he needs to know? also..for crying out loud…a quick search turns up pages and pages that show the layout of a unit, and all one has to do it hit any of the larger makes and they have a diagram showing it… THATS why. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just curious Dean Call Simple answer,

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I know no one can be that stupid I’m fairly new to news groups but there is one thing I’ve noticed that I just can’t understand When someone is asking for help, why do people reply with "NO HELP" answers ? Are they just trying to bring attention to themselves or are they wannabe comedians or what It seems to me like it’s just a big waste of time and adds more clutter for no reason I can sorta understand when people try to give an honest answer when they think they know what they are talking about even though they don’t, at least they are trying just curious Dean Call – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simple answer,

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Hi Dean, hope you are having a nice day On 14-Aug-02 At About 21:47:52, Dean wrote to All  D I know no one can be that stupid I’m fairly new to news groups but  D there is one thing I’ve noticed that I just can’t understand  D I can sorta understand when people try to give an honest answer when  D they think they know what they are talking about even though they  D don’t, at least they are trying This is definitely not the thing to do. especially in electrical or hvac trade the wrong answer could easily kill someone.  -= HvacTech2 <=- .. "You can’t have everything.  Where would you put it?" – s.w.               ___ TagDude 0.92